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darius2  
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 More options Dec 4 2008, 4:33 am
From: darius2
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:33:44 -0800 (PST)
Local: Thurs, Dec 4 2008 4:33 am
Subject: Freemail like Gmail/Yahoo/Hotmail downgraded by Spamhaus ?
Hi,

in the recent 2 months my Yahoo Mail deteriorated, getting mail
bounced back, not delivered, dropped, no responses or the like.

Finally discovered Yahoo Mail has had problems with Yahoo Operations
Europe smtp mail relay server in London, not relaying mail into Yahoo
mailboxes, generating
"I don't like a recipient" messages to posters.

Finally I got my IP (DNS) DomainKeys verified and posting self-test I
get it now
delivered into Inbox but Spam as previously.

Another impotant issue is dynamic IP assigned by my national telecom
Internet operator.
Full IP range is rated POOR in databases managed by Spamhaus.

Ok. Already contacted  my telecom Internet operator, Board for
Telcommunication ,Senderbase, Spamhaus and RIPE, hoping to find a nice
solution as I inherit IP's history from previous users with any
dynamic IP assigned.

Ok.
The above , you may say, is not relevant to Gmail.
Not exactly.
Contacting administrator of databases at Senderbases and looking back
into databases by Spamhaus, as advised, I discovered very important
passage:

from Spamhaus FAQ

"

Why can't I remove a PBL IP with a freemail address? (Gmail, Hotmail,
etc.)
        The PBL removal system does not process removal requests that come
from free email accounts such as Gmail.com, Hotmail.com, Yahoo.com, or
any other free email domains. Any removals that are made using free
email addresses are automatically invalidated by the PBL removal
system security checks.

You must use your real address at your own domain to request PBL
removals.

Since the only legitimate reason for removing an IP address from the
PBL is when there is a legitimate mail server hosted on the IP
address, only operators of legitimate mail servers should remove IPs
from the PBL (and then strictly only the IP address of the mail server
they operate). Therefore the self-service removal process assumes that
the person requesting the removal of an IP is the operator of a mail
server hosted at the IP address. That person would normally use a
'postmaster' address and not [email address]'.

All legitimate mail servers have proper hostnames and the server
operator usually has a role address (such as "postmaster") which is
used to receive operational communications. The operator of a
legitimate mail server does not need to use a freemail address for
operational communications. For this reason we treat removals requests
from freemail addresses as being suspicious and do not process them.
"

As you see , status of freemailers has been downgraded by Spamhaus.
How can I ask [email address]  ( or [email address] ? )
to remove IP entry from such databases, as RIPE claims one who is
responsible
for IP range is ISP not individual user.

With poor rating assigned to dynamic assigned IP range, a final user
(Gmail, Yahoo, Hotmail .. any other freemailer) can't stop non-
delivery status of his/her mail personally.

I don't expect postmsters at Yahoo, Google, Hotmail to read thousands
of on-line record removal requests and act promptly on a daily basis.

To me, my telecom operator , providing me Internet access with cell
modem is in charge of cleaning and keeping clean dynamic IP assigned,
not Google, Yahoo, Hotmail or any other freemail service provider.

I almost decided to move my mail to Gmail.
Tried to create new account and standard request form kept requesting
me to enter
the right password ( does it mean one I use to access Google
Groups ? )

As mail relaying doesn't work with Yahoo Mail I must switch to paid
Yahoo Mail Plus first and than to Gmail.

Unfortunately, Spamhaus has downgraded status of any freemail, so
please tell me
how is record removal from Spamhaus databases done at Gmail / Google.

My system is not sending spam, is virus, trojan clean, new notebook,
use cell modem to read/post mail.

What can I do next to have my mail safe and reliable as in previous 20
years ?

Darius


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 More options Dec 4 2008, 5:05 am
From: gravi_t
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:05:15 -0800 (PST)
Local: Thurs, Dec 4 2008 5:05 am
Subject: ***off topic***
***off topic***

This is the "Gmail and Chrome" topic. Do not post off topic here.


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 More options Dec 4 2008, 6:43 am
From: darius2
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:43:56 -0800 (PST)
Local: Thurs, Dec 4 2008 6:43 am
Subject: Re: ***off topic***
My dear friend,
you are completely wrong.
Just read again FAQ by Spamhaus.

Spamhaus claims to be managing databases used for filtering mail
traffic into 1,5 bln. mailboxes world-wide.
So your mailbox is covered too.

Chrome is getting on popularity so switching to Chrome + Gmail is a
natural trend.
Chrome + Gmail is as good as Gmail is.

Unfortunately Spamhaus downgraded any freemail like Gmail, Qmail, ..
making it subject to filtering algorithms.
It exactly means each mail server sets its own policy and may or not
relay your Gmail to a recipient.
Rules and policies are set by Cisco and others.

Spam fight is a good idea but practice is filtering personal mail,
personal mail to offices, job applications and more.

So my subject is exactly at issue.
Just look for others posting Gmail + Chrome spam questions.

Today , with Gmail, Yahoo Mail downgraded by Spamhaus as freemail, any
your mail may be filtered as a spam, so never delivered, dropped.

Solution provided by Spamhaus to request postmaster at Gmail.com or at
Yahoo.com to remove IP record in your name
is hard to imagine,as some national telecoms, providing public and
business Internet access already have full IP range listed with
Spamhaus,
as what counts for Spamhaus is paid and registered mail but freemail.

So it is a legal question how to keep status of freemail like Gmail,
Yahoo as good as previosly.
Just get to know your IP and make a query in databases managed by
Spamhaus to learn your IP credibility, ranking, status and reputation.
If reputation of your IP in databases managed by Spamhaus is poor, you
get your mail filtered by mail servers, relay servers world-wide,
reading IP DNS records from Spamhaus.

So boundled with Chrome or alone, your reputation is as high as of
your IP , assigned to your computer by your ISP.
So the issue is highly relevant for Chrome + Gmail users.

Darius

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 More options Dec 5 2008, 10:25 am
From: KeithWR
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 18:25:04 -0800 (PST)
Local: Fri, Dec 5 2008 10:25 am
Subject: Re: ***off topic***
gravi_t is completely RIGHT.  This topic is for posts about Gmail AND
Chrome.  Your subject has nothing whatsoever to do with Chrome.
Please post in a group that is related to Gmail functionality.
Perhaps you might find an interested audience in GMail Help
Discussions > Message Delivery at
http://groups.google.com/group/Gmail-Help-Message-Delivery-en/topics?...

On Dec 4, 9:43 am, darius2 wrote:


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Discussion subject changed to "Freemail like Gmail/Yahoo/Hotmail downgraded by Spamhaus ?" by Protest Warrior
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 More options Dec 6 2008, 8:13 pm
From: Protest Warrior
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 04:13:03 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sat, Dec 6 2008 8:13 pm
Subject: Re: Freemail like Gmail/Yahoo/Hotmail downgraded by Spamhaus ?

On Dec 3, 12:33 pm, darius2 rambled ad nauseum:

> to remove IP entry from such databases, as RIPE claims one who is
> responsible
> for IP range is ISP not individual user.

purchase a dedicated IPA

>  to move my mail to Gmail.
> As mail relaying doesn't work with Yahoo Mail I must switch to paid
> Yahoo Mail Plus first and than to Gmail.

no

http://google.com/search?q=import+yahoo+mail+to+gmail
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=import+yahoo+mail+to+gmail

https://mail.google.com/support/bin/static.py?page=switchguide.html&s...

https://mail.google.com/support/bin/static.py?page=switchguide.html&s...


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Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 04:24:19 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sat, Dec 6 2008 8:24 pm
Subject: ***off topic***
***off topic***

This is the "Gmail and Chrome" topic. Do not post off topic here.


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