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From: Pat <PatrickDHarring...@hotmail.com>
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 06:28:39 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sun, Jul 20 2008 9:28 pm
Subject: Re: Celebrating 150 years of Darwin's theory

On Jul 20, 9:25 am, "Ian Pollard" <ian.poll...@gmail.com> wrote:

> You theists aren't very good at thinking outside the box. :)

> "Secular spirituality" reflects a paradigm that has long existed, but hasn't
> been commonly named. I would suggest, by your flapping, that it's the
> perfect name. Whilst I don't think there's any worthwhile evidence for the
> existence of "spirit" as you might like, secular spirituality is a handy
> collective term for some perfectly secular notions about human behaviour,
> emotions, and creativity.

> As for quoting the dictionary, Pottsie, well that's rather disappointing.
> Dawkins is, after all, a Fellow of the Royal Society for Literature. He's
> also one of the most noted authors for his use of concise and accurate
> language. In other words, I think he has the edge on you (no offence).
> Language evolves, and "secular spiritiuality", in our increasingly
> non-religious world, is absolutely appropriate for the current mood. It
> also, as a funny coincidence, highlights the increasing irrelevance of
> religious thought to people's lives. Be it for guidance, understanding where
> we came from, support, or marking the events of our lives, our notions of
> spirituality are forever changed.

> Dawkins is right on the pulse of this, your ideas on spirituality are
> increasingly out-moded. Whilst dictionaries can easily be updated to reflect
> the zeitgeist, are you too closed-minded?

    But, you have to admit a certain amount of defeat if you want to
have no God whilst, at the same time, wish to use words like
spirituality and anything with 'geist' in it and apply them to
yourself or the world around you.  And before you remind me of what
zeitgeist means today, note that it was originally a German
translation of the Latin 'genius seculi', meaning 'guardian spirit'.
Should we next expect to see atheists talk about 'the ghost in the
machine' when referring to unpredictable quantum flux?
     By definition, any type of spirituality demands a spirit, which
is refuted by atheists.  It is, quite classically, an oxymoron, and it
doesn't take an FRSL member to see that.  I will easily grant that
language evolves, but, when atheists admit spirituality, they admit
more than they should, if they would like to retain any dignity in
their argument.
> Ian


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