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From: Pat <PatrickDHarring...@hotmail.com>

Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 15:42:56 -0700 (PDT)

Local: Sun, Jul 20 2008 6:42 am

Subject: Re: Martin Luther was Right!!!

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On Jul 19, 8:24 pm, Pottsie <pottsie...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Of course it is, Pat.

> It is the same type of crap that Falwell and the Fundies put out except from the opposite side.

> "Faith vs Reason. One or the other. You can't have both."

> To post this quote.......which btw is making the rounds on the atheist boards, and I wonder if Chaz has read the entire Erlangen Edition......on this board, where there are few if any fundamentalist theists, is simply flaming, and I'm not going to "bite" either.

Chaz posted this on alt.philosophy as well. And, of course, Chaz
has notched up 3/4 as many posts on Atheism vs. Christianity as he has
here. In fact, he posted this as a response to a thread titled, "Why
offending Christians is not a moral imperative". Apparently, he feels
it is. Why do I have the words "I see your true colours shining
through..." going through my head. ;-)

> You, Vam, Craig, me and others on this board all subscribe to "reasoned" thought.

> NONE of us would agree with Luther IF what he meant was that reason is NEVER appropriate to living.......which I doubt very much it was.

> Namaste

> Pottsie

> Pat <PatrickDHarring...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On Jul 19, 2:56ï¿½pm, chazwin wrote:

> > Luther identified the greatest danger to Christianity. Martin Luther
> > had one thing right. He said that to beleive in god required faith,
> > not reason. Reason, he said was the enemy of faith. which had to be
> > trampled underfoot.

> > Reason is the Devil's greatest whore; by nature and manner of being
> > she is a noxious whore; she is a prostitute, the Devil's appointed
> > whore; whore eaten by scab and leprosy who ought to be trodden under
> > foot and destroyed, she and her wisdom ... Throw dung in her face to
> > make her ugly. She is and she ought to be drowned in baptism... She
> > would deserve, the wretch, to be banished to the filthiest place in
> > the house, to the closets.
> > Martin Luther, Erlangen Edition v. 16, pp. 142-148

> > It all a matter of choice, either live a life or rationality and
> > reason, or believe in god.

> > I choose reason. I will embrace the whore of the Devil, though she be
> > eaten by leprosy. I will bear her up to avoid the tramping feet of the
> > ignorant hoards of Christians and Moslems who have throughout history
> > tried to suppress her. If she bears scabs and is wretched it is
> > because of the indignities and wounds she has suffered from the blind
> > stupidity of Abrahamic faith.

> > The concepts of god and the practices of religion will not and cannot
> > submit to reason. All the rituals are unreasonable, the beliefs
> > unconscionable; the basis without evidence. Faith bolsters the
> > infantile and tragic delusion that the majority of humans suffer
> > under.

> Isn't this really another blanket ad hominem against a lot of
> people? Luther apparently chose faith over the whore. I wonder why.
> It is for those very reasons that I demand that 'God' be defined
> through a reasoned approach. It may not be easy, but, once done, we
> have something worth discussing.

> "You can't smell the roses while holding your nose!" - Pottsie- Hide quoted text -

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