> Though censorship is fraught with perils, at times it is necessary.  There is a point at which unlimited free speech becomes a hazard.......as the cliche "Should you be allowed to shout "Fire!" in a crowded theatre?

> If a group determines acceptable standards of behaving (speaking), it is incumbent upon the participants to adhere to those standards or leave the group.  That is the way civilization works.....and why civility is demanded of individual.

> If attacking other members of a group is a group norm, whether that group is a newsgroup like Mind's Eye or a nation, then that group has effectively chosen say that the person who can dominate the others gets to chose what is to be the norm.....effectively annihilating itself.  The attacker becomes the bully and his mores become the de facto mores of the group.

> My freedom, any freedom, cannot impede on another's freedom........IF I choose to live in a society.  If I want to be TOTALLY free, then I have to find someplace where I can live as a hermit, and even THEN I'm not sure there wouldn't be some limits placed on my freedom by the Universe/God (whichever term one chooses to use.)

> Namaste

> Pottsie

> nominal9 <nomin...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I read your "Updated Guidelines" as to Bannings< Kiekegraig, et al:
> ....

> 5. Bannings
> All decisions regarding disciplinary actions up to and including
> banishment from the group are discussed thoroughly among the
> moderators before any decision is made. None of the moderators take it
> upon themselves to discipline a member of the group.  Disciplinary
> actions include, but are not limited to: warnings, return to moderated
> status, banishment from the group, and ETERNAL DAMNATION.
> ....

> I couldn't help but notice a similarity ... the ETERNAL DAMNATION
> part... to somethimng that I wrote on the Epistemology group site.
> ....

> http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology/browse_thread/thread/e716...

> NOMINAL9'S CENSORSHIP HALL OF "SHAME"

> Censors are to Free speech and literature as Kapos are to Prison
> Camps

> Below is a list... to date... of pretty much the "mangy" censors and
> the Neo-Nazi and Neo-Fascist internet sites where, yours truly,
> nominal9 has been either censored out or downright "banned"..... And
> I
> bet y'all thought that the Stalinist / Maoist Communists or the Nazis
> and Fascists were the only ones who stooped to such tactics of
> ABRIDGING FREEDOM OF POLITICAL SPEECH AND EXPRESSION.... Well, think
> again... The CENSORS ARE RIGHT HERE IN THE U.S. of A. ... AND ON THIS
> INTERNET,  TOO. Mostly they are on the Conservative right...  I
> submit
> that even the "Political Correctness" crowd are actually Right-
> Wingers.... they just lie about it.

> CENSORING SYSOP......... BRAIN WASHING..........................
> POLITICALLY
> KAPOS..............................MESSAGE
> BOARDS......................BOUGHT OFF ISPS

> Dave Cunningham........................ Republican
> Forum................ Compuserve

> Richard Whaley............................Republican
> Forum.................Compuserve

> Jim Dellon....................................Political
> Debate.....................Compuserve

> ?.................................................Democratic
> Forum..................Compuserve

> ?.................................................Italian
> Language.....................AOL

> ?.................................................Agnosticism
> Board.................Yahoo

> Alex Krislov..................................Books &
> Writers ....................Compuserve
> David Chiefetz..............................Books &
> Writers......................Compuserve

> curtisakelly..................................African
> American.....................Compuserve
> aka "Othello"

> John Barreiro................................Language
> Forum.....................Compuserve
> Earle Robinson.............................Language
> Forum.....................Compuserve

> John Linendoll...............................World
> Issues..........................Compuserve

> I TELL YA... IF IT WERE UP TO ME..... THESE LOW-LIFE KAPOS AND THEIR
> NEO-NAZI, NEO-FASCIST AUTOCRATIC 'SUPERIORS' AT THE 'CORPORATE'
> LEVEL.... COME THE 'REVOLUTION'............ THEY WOULD BE  THE FIRST
> I' D PUT WITH THEIR BACKS TO THE WALL....

> BUT, IN THE EVENT THAT THE "REVOLUTION" NEVER GETS HERE... IF ANY OF
> Y'ALL HAPPEN TO BELIEVE IN AN "AFTERLIFE"... MAYBE THESE LOWLIFES
> WILL
> GET THEIR JUST DESERTS IN HELL... HOW ABOUT IF THEY WERE MADE TO
> SUFFER ETERNITY "LITERALLY"  IN THE SAME WAY THAT THEY "FIGURATIVELY"
> WENT THROUGH LIFE.... WITH THEIR HEADS UP THEIR "ARSES" AND  WITH
> "FECES FOR BRAINS"????...... NOW THAT WOULD BE DIVINE
> RETRIBUTION....IN MY OPINION..... WELL WORTH A PRAYER, EVEN FROM ME.

> But what can be done in the "here and now"?..... Well, just bide my
> words and head my caution about these lowlifes.... don't waste your
> time or your breath with such snakes in the grass.....fore-warned is
> fore-armed.... maybe pass the word... and if any of y'all can add to
> this list of..... CENSORSHIP HALL OF "SHAME"... you may be doing
> others (and  me  definitely) a favor by giving  the "heads-up"....

> NOMINAL9
> ....

> I like my line better....... AN ETERNITY IN HELL WITH, LITERALLY,
> THEIR HEADS UP THEIR ASSES AND WITH SHIT FOR  BRAINS....
> But the, I was talking about  CENSORS....
> Did you fellas.......RIP ME OFF.... for INSPIRATION????

> nominal9

> "You can't smell the roses while holding your nose!" - Pottsie