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  <title type="text">alt.engineering.electrical Google Group</title>
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  Discussing electrical engineering.
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  <updated>2008-11-20T06:58:11Z</updated>
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  <author>
  <email>gfretw...@aol.com</email>
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  <updated>2008-11-20T06:58:11Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com.sg/group/alt.engineering.electrical/browse_thread/thread/f85ab15b1884a629/4945264788989982?show_docid=4945264788989982</id>
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  <title type="text">Re: GFCI circuit for 110v 20 amp hot tub question</title>
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  On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 22:30:47 -0800 (PST), fzbuilder &lt;br&gt; You can just install a 20a GFCI receptacle in that box.
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  <author>
  <name>Roy</name>
  <email>roy...@webtv.net</email>
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  <updated>2008-11-20T06:46:37Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com.sg/group/alt.engineering.electrical/browse_thread/thread/d348bda393258e19/af5deca0e8e47d29?show_docid=af5deca0e8e47d29</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com.sg/group/alt.engineering.electrical/browse_thread/thread/d348bda393258e19/af5deca0e8e47d29?show_docid=af5deca0e8e47d29"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Federal Pacific Panels</title>
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  Go lick a bussbar Fats, even if your opinion weren&#39;t so worthless your &lt;br&gt; words are only full of falsehood and contempt. &lt;br&gt; Have a modicum of decency and shut up. &lt;br&gt; Roy Q.T. &lt;br&gt; [have tools, will travel]
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  <author>
  <name>fzbuilder</name>
  <email>travis.kai...@gmail.com</email>
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  <updated>2008-11-20T06:30:47Z</updated>
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  <link href="http://groups.google.com.sg/group/alt.engineering.electrical/browse_thread/thread/f85ab15b1884a629/90f96a591483cb7d?show_docid=90f96a591483cb7d"/>
  <title type="text">GFCI circuit for 110v 20 amp hot tub question</title>
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  Hello, I just picked up a used Hot Springs spa that is 110v 20amp. It &lt;br&gt; has had the original GFCI plug cut off and replaced with a standard &lt;br&gt; plug. I am setting the spa up in my garage and plan to share the &lt;br&gt; receptical for my washing machine that is on a 20amp breaker. (Won&#39;t &lt;br&gt; be running them at the same time). I am wondering if I can use a GCFI
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Ben Miller</name>
  <email>b...@somewhere</email>
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  <updated>2008-11-20T04:20:18Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com.sg/group/alt.engineering.electrical/browse_thread/thread/750a6fa1fe6d4036/cea938f5dac016d3?show_docid=cea938f5dac016d3</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com.sg/group/alt.engineering.electrical/browse_thread/thread/750a6fa1fe6d4036/cea938f5dac016d3?show_docid=cea938f5dac016d3"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Electrical Problems</title>
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  Your problem is a potential fire hazard, and needs to be immediately &lt;br&gt; corrected. There are many possible causes, mostly involving a loose &lt;br&gt; connection somewhere. Nobody can tell you for sure where the problem is &lt;br&gt; without being there. As others suggested, your best bet is to hire an &lt;br&gt; electrician to troubleshoot the system.
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  <author>
  <name>Don Kelly</name>
  <email>d...@shaw.ca</email>
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  <updated>2008-11-20T04:04:57Z</updated>
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  <link href="http://groups.google.com.sg/group/alt.engineering.electrical/browse_thread/thread/cdf45b27e756c3a2/71797bd0da6bdbab?show_docid=71797bd0da6bdbab"/>
  <title type="text">Re: inductance equation for three phase chokes</title>
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  ---------------------------- &lt;br&gt; Many thanks Mr kelly.You really knows what you are talking about.I had &lt;br&gt; a hunch that i would be cancelled out as you rightly pointed out,Could &lt;br&gt; you please point to me some website where i can see the mathematical &lt;br&gt; proof for that and also to have a concrete understanding how exactly
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  <author>
  <name>FatBytestard</name>
  <email>fatbytest...@somewheronyourharddrive.org</email>
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  <updated>2008-11-20T01:18:38Z</updated>
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  <link href="http://groups.google.com.sg/group/alt.engineering.electrical/browse_thread/thread/d348bda393258e19/5b6b8e5b835a954b?show_docid=5b6b8e5b835a954b"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Federal Pacific Panels</title>
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  My God! Did you suddenly wake up from your coma? &lt;br&gt; I cannot believe this is the same person as the abusive Roy. &lt;br&gt; It actually appears as if you have some modicum of intelligence.
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Ben Miller</name>
  <email>b...@somewhere</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2008-11-19T23:02:05Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com.sg/group/alt.engineering.electrical/browse_thread/thread/26644efd9f3fbd10/ac7f08004a36ce96?show_docid=ac7f08004a36ce96</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com.sg/group/alt.engineering.electrical/browse_thread/thread/26644efd9f3fbd10/ac7f08004a36ce96?show_docid=ac7f08004a36ce96"/>
  <title type="text">Re: POWER FACTOR</title>
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  Transformers are rated in VA because that determines the maximum current &lt;br&gt; through the winding. The load watts don&#39;t matter to the transformer. In &lt;br&gt; other words, a one kVA transformer could deliver one kVA to a one kVAR &lt;br&gt; capacitor that draws zero watts, or to a heater that draws one kW. It is &lt;br&gt; fully loaded either way.
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  <author>
  <name>Ben Miller</name>
  <email>b...@somewhere</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2008-11-19T22:44:07Z</updated>
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  <link href="http://groups.google.com.sg/group/alt.engineering.electrical/browse_thread/thread/64bea880d56651d0/eaf646217ad30a04?show_docid=eaf646217ad30a04"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Relay Symbol ?</title>
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  It is a relay coil or a solenoid coil. Relay coils are generally circles, &lt;br&gt; but I have seen the solenoid symbol used as well. &lt;br&gt; Ben Miller
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  <author>
  <name>Ben Miller</name>
  <email>b...@somewhere</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2008-11-19T22:33:01Z</updated>
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  <link href="http://groups.google.com.sg/group/alt.engineering.electrical/browse_thread/thread/82ad24ae1ade7a09/7d44b7f9ec46b8b0?show_docid=7d44b7f9ec46b8b0"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Putting commercial quote in perspective</title>
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  It is probably a two-man job, so cut the elapsed time estimates in half. &lt;br&gt; 200A and 400A three-phase feeders aren&#39;t like the wires in your house, and &lt;br&gt; we don&#39;t know what the environment is there. Straight runs, offsets, height &lt;br&gt; from the ground, etc? &lt;br&gt; I agree with the others, that rather than looking for reaction to one
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Ben Miller</name>
  <email>b...@somewhere</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2008-11-19T22:21:12Z</updated>
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  <link href="http://groups.google.com.sg/group/alt.engineering.electrical/browse_thread/thread/41606bc66cfd476d/dd63dd8aa4457f7e?show_docid=dd63dd8aa4457f7e"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Power relay with control winding. -- Help</title>
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  Jim wrote: &lt;br&gt; I know what you are refering to, but I don&#39;t recall what they are called. As &lt;br&gt; an option you can use a 24VAC relay, run the line voltage through the &lt;br&gt; contacts, and power the coil from a 24V transformer through the low voltage &lt;br&gt; control lines. The total cost of the readily available materials should be
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  <author>
  <name>Terry</name>
  <email>katamaso...@hotmail.com</email>
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  <updated>2008-11-19T20:58:05Z</updated>
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  <link href="http://groups.google.com.sg/group/alt.engineering.electrical/browse_thread/thread/d348bda393258e19/30afc67c363b44ce?show_docid=30afc67c363b44ce"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Federal Pacific Panels</title>
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  =&amp;gt;Sure, the CB&#39;s install the same... &lt;br&gt; Thanks--that answers part 1. &lt;br&gt; =&amp;gt;My Advice: Never ask anyone here for advice on any pending work you &lt;br&gt; =&amp;gt;have...if you need to ask advice to do that job here you shouldn&#39;t &lt;br&gt; be =&amp;gt;doing the work yourself. &lt;br&gt; Roy, you&#39;re 100% correct. I completely agree. I am trying to look at
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  <author>
  <name>qmu</name>
  <email>q...@asdasdasd.net</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2008-11-19T18:43:32Z</updated>
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  <link href="http://groups.google.com.sg/group/alt.engineering.electrical/browse_thread/thread/08884c2c092d287e/7906f356d694d052?show_docid=7906f356d694d052"/>
  <title type="text">Wire terminal cap: square millimeters rating</title>
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  Hi all, &lt;br&gt; wire terminal caps with one entry and one screw, for electrical wire &lt;br&gt; junction (whose English exact name I don&#39;t know), bear a rating of the &lt;br&gt; section of copper that can be fitted in it, printed on them. &lt;br&gt; It is only one number, such as e.g. 2.5 mm^2, 4mm^2 or 10 mm^2... &lt;br&gt; Is that the MAXIMUM or the MINIMUM amount of coper I can fit in?
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Roy</name>
  <email>roy...@webtv.net</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2008-11-19T17:42:04Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com.sg/group/alt.engineering.electrical/browse_thread/thread/cdf45b27e756c3a2/518400af8db334c1?show_docid=518400af8db334c1</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com.sg/group/alt.engineering.electrical/browse_thread/thread/cdf45b27e756c3a2/518400af8db334c1?show_docid=518400af8db334c1"/>
  <title type="text">Re: inductance equation for three phase chokes</title>
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  Cancelled out, null, what&#39;s the difference? &lt;br&gt; Don, how could you be sure of what applies or not, when you don&#39;t even &lt;br&gt; know what equation I might have been talking about? The topic just &lt;br&gt; drifted a bit into possible design update science, thanks for getting it &lt;br&gt; back on track. &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;I&#39;m really not that interested in the world before the service entry, as
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Roy</name>
  <email>roy...@webtv.net</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2008-11-19T17:29:26Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com.sg/group/alt.engineering.electrical/browse_thread/thread/d348bda393258e19/b63fa37422bb93e6?show_docid=b63fa37422bb93e6</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com.sg/group/alt.engineering.electrical/browse_thread/thread/d348bda393258e19/b63fa37422bb93e6?show_docid=b63fa37422bb93e6"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Federal Pacific Panels</title>
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  Sure, the CB&#39;s install the same since FP standard applies, though &lt;br&gt; obsolete, it&#39;s only temporary :) But why bother with the Federal Pacific &lt;br&gt; panelwork at all, just run your wiring and prep your circuits while you &lt;br&gt; get your new distribution panel, Cutler Hammer, GE, Challenger, etc., &lt;br&gt; they are not that expensive., why set yourself up to having to double
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Terry</name>
  <email>katamaso...@hotmail.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2008-11-19T16:29:09Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com.sg/group/alt.engineering.electrical/browse_thread/thread/d348bda393258e19/89c41176825828e4?show_docid=89c41176825828e4</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com.sg/group/alt.engineering.electrical/browse_thread/thread/d348bda393258e19/89c41176825828e4?show_docid=89c41176825828e4"/>
  <title type="text">Federal Pacific Panels</title>
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  My question is not one of reliability or liability, but to ask whether &lt;br&gt; a 240V-50A stab lok breaker used in a 100A panel is the same as one &lt;br&gt; used in a 200A panel. &lt;br&gt; I have built a workshop in the back yard and plan to wire it as &lt;br&gt; follows: &lt;br&gt; New 50A breaker in existing 100A panel to disconnect box w/breaker
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