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 More options Jul 10 2007, 8:23 am
Newsgroups: alt.engineering.electrical
From: "AL BENSER" <a.bens...@verizon.net>
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 00:23:20 GMT
Local: Tues, Jul 10 2007 8:23 am
Subject: Re: Question on Powersave 1200
THIS IS A FRAUD ON THE CONSUMERS!!!

These black boxes contain capacitors to improve the power factors.
But the one who benefit from it is ONLY the power co. that supply
the electric power. The total electric power consumed in a home is
made of two components; the real power and the reactive power.
In the USA the consumers pay ONLY for the real power portion.
Now, for industrial/commercial users, it is different. To the electric
Co. that generate the electric power, the reactive power cost less
then 5% of the real power . . . . .

20-30 years ago, when these scams started, I was interviewed on
TV on the subject and, as a result, one of those company had to
close down and filed for bankruptcy . . . .

The power factor is less then perfect (or one), only on loads that
have a motor, like a washing machine, etc . . . and the overall
load on a residential house is not bad to begin with . . . . but
still the electric co. are greedy and happy to see the public fooled!!

"CS" <idontw...@fcc.gov> wrote in message

news:139084nmvpun2d1@corp.supernews.com...
> Just saw a commercial for the Powersave 1200, which will save you
> hundreds, if not thousands, of dollars in energy bills.  It is targeted
> and designed specifically for residential customers.

> The commercial appeared on the Sci Fi channel, which is well known for
> advertisements from reputable companies. yeah

> So it hooks to your breaker box, reduces the power factor of all your
> appliances (including, according to the commercial, TV's, heaters, ovens,
> stoves, dishwashers, microwaves, water heaters, toasters, air
> conditioners, and coffee makers (implies your coffee will taste better as
> well).  It also filters and recycles the excess electricity in your power
> lines.

> It also cools down TV's, because they, like your other appliances, are
> receiving too much power.  This device only supplies the power your
> appliances require, so there will be no heat in anything not designed to
> actually heat something.  So throw away those fans on your computer!

> Fascinating stuff.  It's UL tested and listed, and has been "recognized by
> the Department of Energy".  They even have a report on their web site.  It
> sure looks like it's from the DOE.  Oh, it was a "Program of the DOE", but
> the actual report was written by the Motor Challenge Information
> Clearinghouse, with a website www.motor.doe.gov that, while having an .gov
> on the end, does not seem to exist.  Or the US government's computers are
> all down. (they aren't)

> Anyway, there's also a "university study" of this device.  Except that
> it's two "PHD's" in the electrical engineering department of Santa Clara
> University.  One is a part timer, the other is a study-for-hire type.
> It's a 10 page report, by two PHD's, from a university, but there's no
> notes, biblio, or anything to show that it wasn't cobbled together in 20
> minutes off the cuff.  And it doesn't even mention this device by name.
> But hey, it's a study.

> It's only $300.  Plus shipping and handling.

> http://www.power-save.com/product.html

> http://www.power-save1200.com/

> Funny thing about the FAQ's.  They know how much the unit costs, they know
> how long it'll take to pay for itself (6 to 12 months), but when asked how
> much money folks can save every month, a long list follows "it depends
> on".

> I'm not a huge math guy, but it can't be that tough.  Maybe they can tap
> one of those PHD's to figure it out.

> My question is this;

> Is this bullshit, baloney, flim flam, or snake oil?

> No doubt it must do something.  Heck, it might just do some of the stuff
> it claims.  But while they commercial claims power plants "can" charge for
> low power factors, they forget to mention that this applies almost
> exclusively to the industrial and commercial sectors.  Residential
> customers rarely, if ever, generate a low enough power factor to be
> noticed by power plants.

> I expect a certain amount of dumbing down in commercials when dealing with
> technical stuff, but this seems to be a collection of outright lies.

> Anyway, I was wondering if this was just a grossly overpriced capacitor,
> and if it can significantly alter a sine wave.

> CS


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