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Newsgroups: alt.engineering.electrical
From: krw <k...@att.bizzzz>
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 19:55:05 -0400
Local: Sun, Jul 8 2007 7:55 am
Subject: Re: Question on Powersave 1200
In article <139084nmvpun...@corp.supernews.com>, idontw...@fcc.gov
says... > Just saw a commercial for the Powersave 1200, which will save you hundreds, Save you "thousands"? What if you don't pay "thousands"? > if not thousands, of dollars in energy bills. It is targeted and designed > specifically for residential customers. > The commercial appeared on the Sci Fi channel, which is well known for Nobody ever lies on TV, right? The commercial is on the SciFi > advertisements from reputable companies. yeah network, assume it is also SciFi. ;-) > So it hooks to your breaker box, reduces the power factor of all your Well, you don't want your coffee to taste of stale electricity, do > appliances (including, according to the commercial, TV's, heaters, ovens, > stoves, dishwashers, microwaves, water heaters, toasters, air conditioners, > and coffee makers (implies your coffee will taste better as well). It also > filters and recycles the excess electricity in your power lines. you? > It also cools down TV's, because they, like your other appliances, are Ah, the laws of thermodynamics has been repealed, at last! > receiving too much power. This device only supplies the power your > appliances require, so there will be no heat in anything not designed to > actually heat something. So throw away those fans on your computer! > Fascinating stuff. It's UL tested and listed, and has been "recognized by UL doesn't certify efficacy. If the certification is real (doubt > the Department of Energy". They even have a report on their web site. It > sure looks like it's from the DOE. Oh, it was a "Program of the DOE", but > the actual report was written by the Motor Challenge Information > Clearinghouse, with a website www.motor.doe.gov that, while having an .gov > on the end, does not seem to exist. Or the US government's computers are > all down. (they aren't) this) it only means that it shouldn't catch fire or electrocute someone while being used as designed. > Anyway, there's also a "university study" of this device. Except that it's THey find doctors to say that diet pills work too. Well, if that's > two "PHD's" in the electrical engineering department of Santa Clara > University. One is a part timer, the other is a study-for-hire type. It's > a 10 page report, by two PHD's, from a university, but there's no notes, > biblio, or anything to show that it wasn't cobbled together in 20 minutes > off the cuff. And it doesn't even mention this device by name. But hey, > it's a study. all you eat... > It's only $300. Plus shipping and handling. Crap! Demand free S&H! These charges are always bogus! ;-) > http://www.power-save.com/product.html Nor what you pay for electricity... Hmm, sounds like a constant > http://www.power-save1200.com/ > Funny thing about the FAQ's. They know how much the unit costs, they know dollar source. I wonder if the Fed knows about this? > I'm not a huge math guy, but it can't be that tough. Maybe they can tap one Maybe they better buy off a guy from the math department at that > of those PHD's to figure it out. great educational institution too. > My question is this; Yes, yes, yes, and most certainly. > Is this bullshit, baloney, flim flam, or snake oil? > No doubt it must do something. It'll heat the room. Contrary to what they say, thermodynamics is alive and well. > Heck, it might just do some of the stuff it Residential customers are *not* charged for PF, at least in the US. > claims. But while they commercial claims power plants "can" charge for low > power factors, they forget to mention that this applies almost exclusively > to the industrial and commercial sectors. Residential customers rarely, if > ever, generate a low enough power factor to be noticed by power plants. The only claim they could weasel around is the heating of your internal home wiring due to reactive current. > I expect a certain amount of dumbing down in commercials when dealing with Lies in a commercial, what a concept! > technical stuff, but this seems to be a collection of outright lies. > Anyway, I was wondering if this was just a grossly overpriced capacitor, and Don't forget the pilot light, telling you that it's on the job, > if it can significantly alter a sine wave. saving you *thousands*. ...and for "only" $300... -- You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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