Only four teams to consider here: Miami, Washington, Alabama and East Carolina (courtesy?). But the Tide get rolled (heh), because Florida won the SEC and the head-to-head matchup (35-0!).
East Carolina had a 48% SOS rating, and their loss was to 6-6 Illinois on the road by a touchdown. They did beat AP #11 Syracuse (10-2) and AP #24 North Carolina State (9-3), however. But they can't overcome the loss with such a low SOS rating.
So, obviously, we're down to two unbeaten, untied teams for the 1991 McMNC. Let the debate begin ...
Miami had a 54% SOS rating, with wins over AP #21 Tulsa (10-2) on the road by 24 points, #3 Penn State at home by six points, unranked 6-5 West Virginia by 24 points at home, #4 Florida State on the road by one point (of course!), unranked 8-4-1 San Diego State at home by 27 points, and AP #15 Nebraska (9-2-1) in the Orange Bowl. The dogs on their schedule? 0-10-1 Oklahoma State and 2-9 Cal State Long Beach. They beat four ranked teams, including #3 and #4 by a combined seven points. The Hurricanes beat six winning teams in 1991.
Washington had a 52% SOS rating, with wins over AP #22 Stanford (8-4) by 35 points on the road, #15 Nebraska on the road by 15 points, unranked 7-4 Kansas State by 53 points at home, #8 California by seven points on the road, unranked 6-5 Arizona State by 28 points at home, and #6 Michigan by 20 points in the Rose Bowl. The schedule dog? 1-10 Oregon State. The Huskies, too, beat four ranked teams, including #6 and #8 by a combined 27 points. Washington also beat six winning teams in 1991.
Common opponents? Nebraska, for starters. Washington's win over Nebraska in Lincoln on September 21 has to be given more significance, since the Huskers were at home and probably believing they had a chance at the national title. By the time the Orange Bowl rolled around, Nebraska knew they had no shot at the championship, especially in Miami's backyard. Another common opponent? Arizona. Miami beat the 4-7 Wildcats by 27 points on the road, while Washington beat them 54-0 at home.
Miami has the slight SOS edge, but Washington takes the common opponents' edge and the better wins edge (because of dominance in those wins). The Huskies also have a better bowl win, since Miami was at home in the Orange Bowl and playing a lesser team.
This really is a close one to call, but in the end, the Huskies were a better team. They outscored their opponents by 32 points per game, while Miami only outscored their opponents by 24 points per game. Consider the narrow difference in SOS and the closeness of the schedule strength breakdown above, and you can see the Huskies deserve the McMNC for 1991.
Two years in a row, the UPI got it right. Why are they out of business?!
McMNC Revisions 1. Washington 2. Miami-FL 3. Alabama 4. East Carolina 5. Penn State
> Only four teams to consider here: Miami, Washington, Alabama and East > Carolina (courtesy?). But the Tide get rolled (heh), because Florida > won the SEC and the head-to-head matchup (35-0!).
> East Carolina had a 48% SOS rating, and their loss was to 6-6 Illinois > on the road by a touchdown. They did beat AP #11 Syracuse (10-2) and > AP #24 North Carolina State (9-3), however. But they can't overcome > the loss with such a low SOS rating.
> So, obviously, we're down to two unbeaten, untied teams for the 1991 > McMNC. Let the debate begin ...
> Miami had a 54% SOS rating, with wins over AP #21 Tulsa (10-2) on the > road by 24 points, #3 Penn State at home by six points, unranked 6-5 > West Virginia by 24 points at home, #4 Florida State on the road by > one point (of course!), unranked 8-4-1 San Diego State at home by 27 > points, and AP #15 Nebraska (9-2-1) in the Orange Bowl. The dogs on > their schedule? 0-10-1 Oklahoma State and 2-9 Cal State Long Beach. > They beat four ranked teams, including #3 and #4 by a combined seven > points. The Hurricanes beat six winning teams in 1991.
> Washington had a 52% SOS rating, with wins over AP #22 Stanford (8-4) > by 35 points on the road, #15 Nebraska on the road by 15 points, > unranked 7-4 Kansas State by 53 points at home, #8 California by seven > points on the road, unranked 6-5 Arizona State by 28 points at home, > and #6 Michigan by 20 points in the Rose Bowl. The schedule dog? 1-10 > Oregon State. The Huskies, too, beat four ranked teams, including #6 > and #8 by a combined 27 points. Washington also beat six winning teams > in 1991.
> Common opponents? Nebraska, for starters. Washington's win over > Nebraska in Lincoln on September 21 has to be given more significance, > since the Huskers were at home and probably believing they had a > chance at the national title. By the time the Orange Bowl rolled > around, Nebraska knew they had no shot at the championship, especially > in Miami's backyard. Another common opponent? Arizona. Miami beat the > 4-7 Wildcats by 27 points on the road, while Washington beat them 54-0 > at home.
> Miami has the slight SOS edge, but Washington takes the common > opponents' edge and the better wins edge (because of dominance in > those wins). The Huskies also have a better bowl win, since Miami was > at home in the Orange Bowl and playing a lesser team.
I can't argue with this pick either way. I would give an edge to Washington as well, but I would have loved to see this head-to-head.
> Common opponents? Nebraska, for starters. Washington's win over > Nebraska in Lincoln on September 21 has to be given more significance, > since the Huskers were at home and probably believing they had a > chance at the national title. By the time the Orange Bowl rolled > around, Nebraska knew they had no shot at the championship, especially > in Miami's backyard. Another common opponent? Arizona. Miami beat the > 4-7 Wildcats by 27 points on the road, while Washington beat them 54-0 > at home.
> Miami has the slight SOS edge, but Washington takes the common > opponents' edge
having watched both nebraska games, you're wrong here. Miami wouldn't allow nebraska to gain a single first down when they were actually focused on playing defense. Washington may have been on the road, but Miami just went out and dominated nebraska more than washington did.
And bringing up the zona game(a 4-7 team both teams blew out) is irrelevant......
and the better wins edge (because of dominance in
> those wins). The Huskies also have a better bowl win, since Miami was > at home in the Orange Bowl and playing a lesser team.
> This really is a close one to call, but in the end, the Huskies were a > better team. They outscored their opponents by 32 points per game, > while Miami only outscored their opponents by 24 points per game. > Consider the narrow difference in SOS and the closeness of the > schedule strength breakdown above, and you can see the Huskies deserve > the McMNC for 1991.
1991 is a complete dead heat. Two completely equal resumes in just about every respect. To act like one team was definetely better than the other or definetely did more is silly......
> > Only four teams to consider here: Miami, Washington, Alabama and East > > Carolina (courtesy?). But the Tide get rolled (heh), because Florida > > won the SEC and the head-to-head matchup (35-0!).
> > East Carolina had a 48% SOS rating, and their loss was to 6-6 Illinois > > on the road by a touchdown. They did beat AP #11 Syracuse (10-2) and > > AP #24 North Carolina State (9-3), however. But they can't overcome > > the loss with such a low SOS rating.
> > So, obviously, we're down to two unbeaten, untied teams for the 1991 > > McMNC. Let the debate begin ...
> > Miami had a 54% SOS rating, with wins over AP #21 Tulsa (10-2) on the > > road by 24 points, #3 Penn State at home by six points, unranked 6-5 > > West Virginia by 24 points at home, #4 Florida State on the road by > > one point (of course!), unranked 8-4-1 San Diego State at home by 27 > > points, and AP #15 Nebraska (9-2-1) in the Orange Bowl. The dogs on > > their schedule? 0-10-1 Oklahoma State and 2-9 Cal State Long Beach. > > They beat four ranked teams, including #3 and #4 by a combined seven > > points. The Hurricanes beat six winning teams in 1991.
> > Washington had a 52% SOS rating, with wins over AP #22 Stanford (8-4) > > by 35 points on the road, #15 Nebraska on the road by 15 points, > > unranked 7-4 Kansas State by 53 points at home, #8 California by seven > > points on the road, unranked 6-5 Arizona State by 28 points at home, > > and #6 Michigan by 20 points in the Rose Bowl. The schedule dog? 1-10 > > Oregon State. The Huskies, too, beat four ranked teams, including #6 > > and #8 by a combined 27 points. Washington also beat six winning teams > > in 1991.
> > Common opponents? Nebraska, for starters. Washington's win over > > Nebraska in Lincoln on September 21 has to be given more significance, > > since the Huskers were at home and probably believing they had a > > chance at the national title. By the time the Orange Bowl rolled > > around, Nebraska knew they had no shot at the championship, especially > > in Miami's backyard. Another common opponent? Arizona. Miami beat the > > 4-7 Wildcats by 27 points on the road, while Washington beat them 54-0 > > at home.
> > Miami has the slight SOS edge, but Washington takes the common > > opponents' edge and the better wins edge (because of dominance in > > those wins). The Huskies also have a better bowl win, since Miami was > > at home in the Orange Bowl and playing a lesser team.
> I can't argue with this pick either way. I would give an edge to > Washington as well, but I would have loved to see this head-to-head.
> > Miami-FL: -1983, =1987, =1989, =1991
> Uh....did you change your mind?
I'm guessing McMarty made a typo, since the two keys [(-) and (=)] are right next to each other.
But your panties must be very close to your face right now, huh?
> > > Only four teams to consider here: Miami, Washington, Alabama and East > > > Carolina (courtesy?). But the Tide get rolled (heh), because Florida > > > won the SEC and the head-to-head matchup (35-0!).
> > > East Carolina had a 48% SOS rating, and their loss was to 6-6 Illinois > > > on the road by a touchdown. They did beat AP #11 Syracuse (10-2) and > > > AP #24 North Carolina State (9-3), however. But they can't overcome > > > the loss with such a low SOS rating.
> > > So, obviously, we're down to two unbeaten, untied teams for the 1991 > > > McMNC. Let the debate begin ...
> > > Miami had a 54% SOS rating, with wins over AP #21 Tulsa (10-2) on the > > > road by 24 points, #3 Penn State at home by six points, unranked 6-5 > > > West Virginia by 24 points at home, #4 Florida State on the road by > > > one point (of course!), unranked 8-4-1 San Diego State at home by 27 > > > points, and AP #15 Nebraska (9-2-1) in the Orange Bowl. The dogs on > > > their schedule? 0-10-1 Oklahoma State and 2-9 Cal State Long Beach. > > > They beat four ranked teams, including #3 and #4 by a combined seven > > > points. The Hurricanes beat six winning teams in 1991.
> > > Washington had a 52% SOS rating, with wins over AP #22 Stanford (8-4) > > > by 35 points on the road, #15 Nebraska on the road by 15 points, > > > unranked 7-4 Kansas State by 53 points at home, #8 California by seven > > > points on the road, unranked 6-5 Arizona State by 28 points at home, > > > and #6 Michigan by 20 points in the Rose Bowl. The schedule dog? 1-10 > > > Oregon State. The Huskies, too, beat four ranked teams, including #6 > > > and #8 by a combined 27 points. Washington also beat six winning teams > > > in 1991.
> > > Common opponents? Nebraska, for starters. Washington's win over > > > Nebraska in Lincoln on September 21 has to be given more significance, > > > since the Huskers were at home and probably believing they had a > > > chance at the national title. By the time the Orange Bowl rolled > > > around, Nebraska knew they had no shot at the championship, especially > > > in Miami's backyard. Another common opponent? Arizona. Miami beat the > > > 4-7 Wildcats by 27 points on the road, while Washington beat them 54-0 > > > at home.
> > > Miami has the slight SOS edge, but Washington takes the common > > > opponents' edge and the better wins edge (because of dominance in > > > those wins). The Huskies also have a better bowl win, since Miami was > > > at home in the Orange Bowl and playing a lesser team.
> > I can't argue with this pick either way. I would give an edge to > > Washington as well, but I would have loved to see this head-to-head.
> > > Miami-FL: -1983, =1987, =1989, =1991
> > Uh....did you change your mind?
> I'm guessing McMarty made a typo, since the two keys [(-) and (=)] are > right next to each other.
> But your panties must be very close to your face right now, huh?
You are trying a little too hard here, don'tcha think?
On Jul 23, 2:50 pm, mianderson <clay...@excite.com> wrote:
> 1991 is a complete dead heat. Two completely equal resumes in just > about every respect. To act like one team was definetely better than > the other or definetely did more is silly......
It isn't that often that I agree with Mia, but he's right here. The only way to get this one right is to call it a tie and blame the system. There really is no logic in suggesting that one dominant win is better than another dominant win just because the opponent cared more in one game than the other.
On Jul 23, 8:00 pm, McMahone <mmcmah...@umhb.edu> wrote:
> On Jul 23, 2:50 pm, mianderson <clay...@excite.com> wrote:
> > 1991 is a complete dead heat. Two completely equal resumes in just > > about every respect. To act like one team was definetely better than > > the other or definetely did more is silly......
> It isn't that often that I agree with Mia, but he's right here. The > only way to get this one right is to call it a tie and blame the > system. There really is no logic in suggesting that one dominant win > is better than another dominant win just because the opponent cared > more in one game than the other.
I guess you two didn't see Michigan beat Florida in the Citrus Bowel this year, then.
I firmly believe motivation is everything in college sports; ask Appalachian State.
