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 More options Jul 24, 2:40 am
Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design, sci.electronics.components
From: "HarryD" <har...@tdsystems.org>
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:40:04 GMT
Local: Thurs, Jul 24 2008 2:40 am
Subject: Re: 0805 size high power resistors, 250mW ok on FR-4?

"John Larkin" <jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in message

news:n1qe84pvvg5bfomsm6uvu2e8a42mf35ouk@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:59:26 -0700, Joerg
> <notthisjoerg...@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

>>Hello All,

>>Got a circuit where in hindsight the client decided they need >10 times
>>the juice than initially spec'd. This was truly unforeseen for them and
>>we have to make it work at least for a proto series. Of course, now all
>>those 0805 resistors in the power path would exceed their usual 1/8W
>>spec. Found these at 1/3W:

>>http://www.susumu.co.jp/english/pdf/products-j01-07.pdf

>>I plan to run them around 200-250mW. Was expecting those to be really
>>tall to vent off some heat but they are surprisingly flat, only 0.4mm
>>high. Will this become a heat problem on FR-4 for stuff that can run
>>24/7? Any experience?

> Sounds OK to me. We push regular 0805's harder than that. Zero fails
> so far.

> We experimented with various resistors, 0603 through 1206, with a
> thermal imager that has plenty of resolution to find the hot-spot temp
> on all the parts.

> Turns out that the actual part thetas are astronomical, and what cools
> resistors is the copper pads and traces, more than the bodies
> themselves. An 0603 soldered to big copper pours can dissipate as much
> as a 1206 ditto; the hot spot temps are the same. That makes sense
> physically, as theta is determined by the L/W ratio and the substrate
> thickness, and all the resistors we checked were all 20 mil thick
> alumina.

> A better substrate, BeO or AlN, would help a bit, at great expense.

> If there's a ground plane close, that helps a lot.

> The easiest thing to do is fire up the board and scope it with a Flir,
> and see how hot stuff gets. You can borrow mine, or come here and use
> it.

> ftp://66.117.156.8/IR_0026.jpg

> ftp://66.117.156.8/IR_0032.jpg

> John

 Thermal vias are your friend. Vias in pads are now standard procedure for
most PCB houses. Put a thermal via in each pad and one under the center of
the part.  Tie TVs to heat spreader on another plane.
 JL, tell us more of your FLIR, type, cost and performance.
 Cheers,
 Harry

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