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Angus Rodgers  
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 More options Jul 24, 8:47 pm
Newsgroups: sci.math
From: Angus Rodgers <twir...@bigfoot.com>
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:47:20 +0100
Local: Thurs, Jul 24 2008 8:47 pm
Subject: Re: Finite, non-simple field extension: is this proof OK?
On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 11:45:45 +0100, Timothy Murphy

<gayle...@eircom.net> wrote:
>Angus Rodgers wrote:

>> Exercise 93 in Joseph Rotman's /Galois Theory/ (2nd ed. 1998):

>>  "Show that Z_p(x, y) is a finite extension of its subfield
>>  Z_p(x^p, y^p), but it is not a simple extension."

>> [...]

>> Proof:

>> [...]

>Seems fine to me.

That's a relief.  Although I still couldn't see anything wrong with
the proof, I was getting more and more worried, because it doesn't
actually use any Galois theory!

>The extension [K:k] is of degree p^2.
>If u is in K then u^p is in k.
>Hence u is of degree p (or 1).

On that last point: the first draft of my post said that [k(u):k] =
p or 1, but then I began to worry that it might not be true, or at
least wasn't as "obvious" as I'd imagined, and I didn't need it, so
I left it out, giving [k(u):k] <= p < p^2 instead.  Now that I'm
obliged to think about it, I think I've adapted a solution to an
earlier exercise (no. 75) to prove it.  I was going to post this,
too - because I was worried that I was making unnecessarily heavy
weather of something that might perhaps, after all, be "obvious" -
but I see there's a standard result that has it as a special case:
From D. J. H. Garling, /Galois Theory/ (1986), p. 88:

 "Theorem 10.8  Suppose that char K = p > 0 and that

    f(x) = g(x^p) = a_0 + a_1x^p + ... + x^{np}

is monic; then f is irreducible in K[x] if and only if g is
irreducible in K[x], and not all of the coefficients a_i are pth
powers of elements of K."

--
Angus Rodgers
(twirlip@ eats spam; reply to angusrod@)
Contains mild peril


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